Talk:Pig Latin

Phonetics

Shouldn't this article and its examples have more of a phonetic perspective? For example, using IPA, or spelling the examples without unnecessary letters that don't make any different sounds when the order is changed. After all, it seems that this language game is based on the phonetics of the words, not the orthography. Mechanic1c (talk) 00:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Using IPA in addition to the current pronunciation examples presented in the article might please some people who are proficient in IPA, but I don't think the average reader would have any interest in it and would find it an unnecessary distraction. We're not dealing with an actual language that has any significantly different pronunciations than standard English. Anyone with an average knowledge of English should not have any difficulty with pronunciation using the rules and examples in the article. I learned pig latin in about two minutes when I was six years old. It's not complicated. I would oppose replacing the current examples with IPA; if that was done most people would give up trying to figure it out. Sundayclose (talk) 02:30, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

It's used pretty consistently everywhere else, and links are provided to Wikipedia's Help page for IPA. Either way, examples like "egg" → "ggeway" imply that Pig Latin doesn't concern morphophonology, and if it doesn't, the pronunciation of Pig Latin should be identical to that of English and therefore this article should not include any phonetics guides differently than an article about English (which it currently does, like with "i" → "ii" pronounced like "ee" in "eek", which I think would be described with IPA in a standard article about English). If it concerns orthography and phonetics, they should both be described. Right now, the Rules section contains a bunch of information not organized by linguistic topics that it may or may not concern. If someone here knows whether Pig Latin concerns any phonetic rules, another opinion might be worthwhile. Mechanic1c (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

It's used everywhere else for actual languages. Pig Latin is not a language; it is a distortion of the English language. I'm not opposed to adding IPA, although I think it will be ignored by most readers, some of whom will find it an annoying distraction. Wikipedia is written for the average reader, not linguistic purists. But I oppose replacing the current pronunciation guides with IPA, and I would insist on a consensus for that. As for current pronunciation examples which are confusing or disorganized, feel free to change those; but don't replace them with IPA Sundayclose (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Fine with me. Mechanic1c (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Redundancy

The paragraph on consonant clusters in the "Rules" section is redundant. The paragraph right before it states "For words that begin with consonant sounds, all letters before the initial vowel are placed at the end of the word sequence..." This would include consonant clusters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tns3327 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Why was the "-ay" variant removed?

I've restored it. Kostaki mou (talk) 16:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Should mention other game languages.

What about the relationship with the Javanais? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanais — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6849:EC43:9A44:681B (talk) 12:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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Edits by Koridas

1. I have removed all unsourced content
2. I have moved the background rules to the top, since it is the proper way for an article about a language.
3. I have deleted the "cultural references" due to the fact that it's not notable if a movie speaks a common language.

Koridas 📣 22:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I added it being used in "boyhood"

it's in page 14 of the script, or around ~11 minute into the film. I as a non native English speaker, could never understand what she was saying until I read the script (after very short google search) https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifcfilmsawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Boyhood-screenplay-11-14-FINAL.pdf

So if I did something not properly (I suppose the above link can be referenced?) please fix my shoddy wiki-work--Benderbr (talk) 14:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Pig Latin in Little Nemo

@Drmies:: Can you explain this deletion? Don't you consider it verifiable by any educated person with access to the primary source, which is the image itself? Error (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Error--no I don't. First of all the image is huge, and has 15 panels, and I don't know which one you want me to look at. Second, the caption is huge also: all this overwhelms the text in the article. Third, oh, it's pig Latin? I'm not completely educated, but I didn't know. Fourth--why do we need this in the first place? Why is "someone in a cartoon spoke pig Latin" relevant to our understanding of the content of the article? Why this cartoon, why not another? Precisely that is why we ask for secondary sources. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd independently found and added the same cartoon while looking on Commons for something to brighten this article up. Whether or not it's a historically significant comic, and with no attempted analysis of what it means for pig Latin to have been depicted to a young audience in 1909, an image of children using it while playing together is useful and relevant. We're fortunate to have such a public domain image. --Belbury (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Ooklay in the Agbay

That pig latin phrase "Ooklay in the Agbay" Which is Look in the Bag, was pretty famous in Monsters Inc. and Monsters at Work! NoahAlexanderJohnson101 (talk) 01:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)